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PALO
17-12-2007, 12:11
In conf. gira un'anticipazione del prossimo editoriale:

Novità sui fans
PIC e MOTS influenzeranno i tifosi
Novità sui biglietti dello stadio
Salario dei CP!




It was released early in Germany, but the editorial has been amended since. There will be nowhere near as much economy information as the HTs are still pondering a decision on that*.

*Just thought I'd mention this so people don't try to read too much into this "pre-release".


FANS

This editorial will preview our new features for next season. We also give you a short update on the Hattrick economy, along with a few measures we will take to keep the economy on the right track. In the New Year, we will publish a full editorial about the Hattrick economy and how we consider it when we develop the game.

Next season: Fan expectations

Fans are an important part of the game today, as they control your team's ticket income. However, we are not satisfied with how the current fan formulas work, and this is something we will change at the start of next season.

The main problem with fans is that they have no memory - they react solely on a game to game basis. This can have strange and rather drastic effects. For example, if you just got promoted your fans will still expect you to win as often as in the lower division, despite harder opposition. And if you do manage to win a few games at the new level, fans will quickly get their mood up and start expecting great things every week. When that big loss eventually comes, the fans will overreact to it, not remembering how heroic your start of the season has been. Such fan reactions can have dire consequences for team economy.

Instead, we want fans to remember the context of each game better and react accordingly. Giving fans a memory will also create a natural incentive for teams to improve their teams over time. Fans will reward a team that gets promoted or does well in the Cup.

The main new concept in the new system will be fan expectations. At the start of every season, fans will tell you what they expect of the team. This will be along the lines of "We expect a struggle to stay in this division", or "We expect an easy promotion".

The expectations for the new season depend mostly on what happened last season, what fans expected then and what the outcome was.

A team that just got promoted will get a soft start in the new division, since fans haven't yet raised their expectations to include wins on the new level. Whether your team is advancing or dropping in the league system, fans will slowly get used to each new situation. But if you are staying put in the same division year after year, fans will have a tendency to hope for just a little more. They will be harder to please if you win the league every year but never is promoted.

The season expectations will in turn influence the expectations for each game. Are you meeting your main rivals for the league title? Or is the upcoming game a certain loss against the league leaders?

On the new fans page, you will be able to see what our fans expect from each game. League position and season expectation of both teams will be taken into account. Fans can expect you to win, lose or play a close game - they can even expect a win or loss to by a certain margin.

Matching fan expectations will be important, as it will keep fan mood and ticket sales up. At the start of the season, fans base their expectations for each game on the hopes they have for the overall season. As the season progresses, the actual league position becomes more important for fan reactions. That is, if you are doing a bad season, fans will get used to it and moderate their expectations on the team. Not only league position but also points taken will matter here. Fans will not make much difference between a 2nd and a 5th league position, if all teams in between have the same amount of points.

Now, not only the results on the pitch decides what the fans think of you. Who likes a team that doesn´t give everything they have? The accountant may not care, but a real fan does.

Your fans will care about team attitude. If you tell the players to "Play it cool" or play the "Match of the Season", it will influence the fans reaction to the match result. Ordering "Play it Cool" will increase the negative effects of losing, and decrease the positive effects of winning. Using "Match of the Season" will make fans appreciate wins more, and react less negative to a loss. In both cases, the effect is very limited if the outcome was close to what the fans expected. If the result differs a lot from the expectation, the effect is either emphasized or removed altogether. If you "Play it cool" in a game that fans expect you to win, and you end up losing, fans will lose faith in you. In other words, fan mood will fall.

Fans will also be influenced by the cash reserves of your team, basically demanding a balance between success today and success in the future.

The fans of a rich team will be a bit harder to please. They will react stronger to a loss and weaker to a win than the fans of a poor club would. The more money your team holds, the higher significance these feelings will have.

This mechanism is important for two reasons. One, it gives us a tool to softly regulate the maximum amount of cash in the game - much like an interest rate gives us influence of the minimum amount of cash in the game. Secondly, it makes some extreme tactics less beneficial, such as keeping a team in a low division only to save up money, buy a great team overnight, and winning the Cup out of nowhere.

We don't intend to "kill" teams that carry a lot of cash, not at all. Rather give them the option of either using that cash to succeed, or to live with slightly lower fan mood until they decide to use their cash. Also, this effect will be very gradual and not noticeable at all to most teams in the game.

We are also changing the crowd formula. In rainy and cloudy weather, much more tickets will be sold under roof, at the expense of tickets without roof. Fewer tickets will still be sold, but the higher on average income per ticket will counter some of the negative effects of rainy and cloudy weather we have today. This may be coupled by a ticket price change for certain ticket categories.

Finally, the calculation of home and opponent attendance will be separated. Each crowd will have its own behaviour. The attendance of each team's fans will be important, since we will create a new link between home team advantage and the actual amount of fans from each team in the arena.

We will make it possible for home team managers to decide how many tickets he will make available to the visiting team. This will basically give managers the choice to either maximize income or to maximize the home team advantage. In certain games, such as qualifiers, it may be required to give the visiting fans a larger share of tickets.

Sending tickets to the opponent may boost your ticket sales, but it will affect your home team advantage. If you send no tickets away, you will probably end up with a lower attendance than you have today. The default option will be to satisfy any need of the visiting team (normally a lot lower than that of the home fans) and to sell rest to the home fans.

The fan expectations feature will be launched at the start of next season, which starts in March. While we expect this to be fairly advanced in terms of logic and formulas behind the scenes, it will be easy to use for managers. Fans will tell you what they want, and it is up to you to change our behaviour to please them or not. If you keep running your team as you always have, fans will still behave in a rational fashion.

Economy Update

There has been a lot of talk about the Hattrick economy this year, and in a few weeks we will run an editorial that summarizes what have happened so far and what we will be doing in the future.

The very short story is that in the beginning of this year Hattrick was in a state of chronic economic stagnation. We broke this negative cycle by lowering costs and increasing ticket revenue. These drastic measures had the expected results, transfer prices stopped falling and started climbing again - and quite quickly so.

It is now one season later, and time to start cooling down the party. We will do this in steps. First of all, ticket prices will be lowered a bit at mid-season, reduced by 5 %. :eek: è ora di vendere il vendibile, e subito!!


Next season, we will finally make Set Pieces count towards salary, which will increase salary levels by around 2 % on average, and by about 5 % for players with divine Set Pieces. <---stipendio dei CP

We also want to make clear that our long term goal is a Hattrick economy that is able to function well, and is rather predictable, without any direct interventions at all from the developers. This is a perspective we consider in all the development work we do, but to get there will take time.

hellspawn
17-12-2007, 12:22
una lettura frettolosa mi fa capire che so pazzi :asd:

slaine
17-12-2007, 12:35
belle modifiche, mi sembrano sensate....strano :asd:

AndreKap
17-12-2007, 12:44
belle modifiche, mi sembrano sensate....strano :asd:

Stavo pensando la stessa cosa.... ci deve essere una fregatura da qualche parte..... :suspi:

art79
17-12-2007, 12:48
qualche volontario che ha la pazienza di tradurre...

Tufio
17-12-2007, 12:49
mmmh... niente più pic per le partite che si sa di perdere...

E ci sarebbe da rifare le proporzioni per le tribune coperte.

L'aumento di stipendio per i cp pare fortunatamente molto esiguo.

AndreKap
17-12-2007, 12:54
mmmh... niente più pic per le partite che si sa di perdere...


Beh, ma dice che l'effetto è molto limitato se il risultato del match è vicino alle aspettative dei tifosi, per cui se sai di perdere e perdi piccando non hai un gran effetto.... il problema è se credi di vincere (e i tifosi si aspettano di vincere) e perdi piccando!! :sisi:

OrsettiOrsetti
17-12-2007, 12:54
Sembrano anche a me modifiche buone.

Di fondamentale c'è:
-Non conviene più PICcare partite perse in partenza.
-Meglio avere un tiratore con stipendio basso (intendo dovuto alle altre skill)
-Abbassamento del 5% del costo dei biglietti (dovrò calcolarmi attentamente il bisettimanale...)

PALO
17-12-2007, 12:55
Stavo pensando la stessa cosa.... ci deve essere una fregatura da qualche parte..... :suspi:

"t is now one season later, and time to start cooling down the party. We will do this in steps. First of all, ticket prices will be lowered a bit at mid-season, reduced by 5 %"

Che a metà stagione i prezzi dei biglietti scenderanno del 5%.
Per far sì che i prezzi di mercato tornino più bassi.

Per cui bisogna trovare il momento giusto per monetizzare i propri allenandi sfruttando l'alto momento di mercato che c'è adesso. :sisi:

OrsettiOrsetti
17-12-2007, 12:56
Già, forse quest'anno i prezzi a fine stagione caleranno un po' più marcatamente...

Tufio
17-12-2007, 13:13
Beh, ma dice che l'effetto è molto limitato se il risultato del match è vicino alle aspettative dei tifosi, per cui se sai di perdere e perdi piccando non hai un gran effetto.... il problema è se credi di vincere (e i tifosi si aspettano di vincere) e perdi piccando!!


Mah, dipende tutto come calibreranno questi nuovi tifosi e soprattutto in base a cosa.

Cioè, su quali basi i tifosi si aspetteranno una sconfitta?

Per la differenza di posizioni in classifica e gol fatti/subiti? ( e come funziona nelle prime giornate? E con i bot? )

Per la differenza tra numero di stelle/valutazioni? ( cosa credo assolutamente impraticabile )

Birimbao
17-12-2007, 13:14
Beh, ma dice che l'effetto è molto limitato se il risultato del match è vicino alle aspettative dei tifosi, per cui se sai di perdere e perdi piccando non hai un gran effetto.... il problema è se credi di vincere (e i tifosi si aspettano di vincere) e perdi piccando!! :sisi:

Anche io l'ho interpretato così...se i tifosi si aspettano di perdere, il fatto di piccare non dovrebbe impattare troppo. Certo, se i tifosi rimangono megalomani come ora e si aspettano di vincere da neopromossi fuori casa contro la prima in classifica...Ma sembra che avranno memoria storica dalla prossima stagione, staremo a vedere.

Ero preoccupato dall'influenza di CP sullo stipendio, avendo preso da poco il divino, ma a quanto pare è nell'ordine del 2% fino ad un massimo del 5% per i divini.
Il mio CC prende 8000 euro; dalla prossima stagione 8000*1,05 = 8400 euro.
400 euro in piu mi sembrano un compromesso accettabile in cambio di una media di un gol a partita! :D bene così!!
Ma scusate, un 5% in meno sul prezzo dei bilietti, pensate possa portare ad un calo dei prezzi cosi vertiginoso da dover vendere il vendibile prima che sia troppo tardi?? Difficile da prevedere ma non sembra possa essere così rilevante!

Dampyr
17-12-2007, 13:16
Fatemi capire... prima hanno alzato il prezzo dei biglietti perchè ormai le economie erano al collasso, e adesso lo riducono di nuovo? :suspi:
Torneremo agli straordinari a 200k?

mcmanu82
17-12-2007, 13:20
cioè io ho appena sganciato 1 milione per un cc straordinario...e rischio di essermela presa in quel posto...

PALO
17-12-2007, 13:37
cioè io ho appena sganciato 1 milione per un cc straordinario...e rischio di essermela presa in quel posto...

No, alt: non volevo scatenare il panico :asd:

Dico solo che secondo me, visto che nell'ultima stagione il mercato è alle stelle (straordinari/splendidi in attacco tra i 900k e 1,2M :eek:) chi ha allenandi vicini alla fine del ciclo deve valutare se vendere magari uno scatto prima del previsto.

Che se devo vendere uno splendido adesso o un magnifico a fine stagione, ma sempre a 1,1M, vendo subito. :sisi:

Birimbao
17-12-2007, 13:42
cioè io ho appena sganciato 1 milione per un cc straordinario...e rischio di essermela presa in quel posto...

Beh...1 milione per uno straordinario direi di si, anche se i prezzi rimanessero stabili!! :sisi:
A meno che non abbia 18 anni o secondarie di lusso!!

Sosrah
17-12-2007, 13:45
sensate,queste modifiche..:sisi: cominciano a stupirmi,questi svedesi!

cekkino
17-12-2007, 13:46
Anche a me sembrano ottime modifiche :sisi:

TheDubliner
17-12-2007, 13:52
Ma le sostituzioni? :suspi:

slaine
17-12-2007, 13:55
è uscito il vero editoriale, chiudo qui e posto l'altro.
Fondamentalmente tutto confermato tranne la parte con il peso di CP sugli stipendi.